Game2014

Bus Driver

IndieSimulation

Developer SCS Software

Bus Driver is a bus driving simulator game developed by SCS Software. The game was released digitally, for Microsoft Windows on 22 March 2007, and for OS X on 9 June 2011. A port to iOS, entitled Bus Driver – Pocket Edition, was released to the App Store by Meridian4 on 27 February 2014. From Wikipedia (CC BY-SA 4.0)

238 reactions from 2 sources (Steam reviews, Bluesky) · newest Nov 5, 2026 · last updated Nov 6, 2026 · How this works

Audience score

93
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147 positive · 11 negative
95% range 88–96%

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Bluesky *20159

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Steam's own rating
Very Positive
745 of 901 reviews positive (all languages, per Valve)

What players are saying

93% recommend · 151 yes, 11 no

Counted from the reviewers’ own thumbs up/down on the 162 English Steam reviews we collected, not by the AI. Valve’s all-language rating: Very Positive (2,015 of 2,423 positive).

Many players fondly recall the game from their childhood and find it nostalgic. [1][2][3] Some reviewers note the game feels dated but still enjoyable for its arcade-style bus driving. [4][5][6] A few players criticize the game for repetitive missions and control issues. [7][8][9]

Liked
  • Nostalgic value and childhood memories are widely praised. [1][2][3]
  • The soundtrack and atmosphere are appreciated by many. [3][10][11]
  • It runs well on modern systems with some adjustments. [11][4]
  • Fun arcade-style gameplay with simple mechanics. [12][13]
Disliked
  • Missions are repetitive and the map is reused often. [7]
  • Control issues, especially with steering and braking. [14][8][9]
  • Tight time limits make completing routes difficult. [1][15]
  • Lacks full controller support and feels outdated. [8][9]
Representative posts
  • [7]Steam user Steam user …3168Steam review · Aug 6, 2024 · Not recommended

    This game is probably okay in 2010 but nowadays, it's nowhere near acceptable. There are 36 bus trip missions. The other main problem is the use of the same map over and over again. After 8 missions in, I felt bored cause it's repetitive driving with almost no obstacles to keep me alert. SCS should bring back this game with a new game engine. Add more maps and more pedestrians to make it look more realistic than …

  • [1]Steam user Steam user …7955Steam review · Aug 17, 2023 · Recommended

    As a kid, I downloaded every single 60 minute trial of this game on the web. And then when my family bought a new computer, I downloaded them all again. Well guess what ♥♥♥♥♥? Now I own this game. And if I wanna kidnap all the passengers and take them on a 2 hour trip to the snowy ski lodge while crashing into 50 buildings on the way, I'm gonna ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do it. Campaign mode is garbage btw. If your driving isn't …

  • [3]Steam user Steam user …2667Steam review · Jun 27, 2025 · Recommended

    I used to play this game in my childhood, had totally forgotten about it when life got to me. But today while surfing Steam I found the "Bus Driver" logo and a core memory unlocked. The music, the graphics, and even the environment that is set in the game is too beautiful. I remember while I was a kid I'd install the time trial demo of this game once every few months because the "1 hour time trial" would reset in a …

  • [15]Steam user Steam user …3700Steam review · Nov 28, 2023 · Recommended

    PROS: + you can kidnap a school bus full of children and smash it into oncoming traffic CONS: - good luck obeying traffic laws and arriving on time, it's downright impossible (even after having the throttle floored and running every red light I barely made it in time) EDIT: All tier 6 (and some tier 5) rides can actually be completed on time!! RATING: [68,9%] recommended

  • [5]Steam user Steam user …4734Steam review · Jul 16, 2023 · Recommended

    You can feel its age. It's simple and the challenge mostly comes from factors outside of your control so I guess you can say it's challenging... for the wrong reasons. If you don't care about setting a high score there is nothing special, content diversity is not something you will find here. All that being said, as long as you get it on a sale I can still recommend it when you need a couple minutes to shut down. …

Summarised from 34 of the 206 public posts collected about this game; every point cites the posts behind it ([n] opens the post) and the split is counted from the posts’ own ratings. Updated Oct 12, 2026. How summaries are made

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Bus Driver sits at 93% positive across 158 opinionated reactions from 2 sources. Fresh or rotten — where do you land?

Critics, per Wikipedia

Bus Driver received "mixed or average" reviews from critics. Review aggregator Metacritic calculated a score of 61 out of 100 based on 10 critic reviews, with two positive, six mixed, and two negative. GameRankings listed an average of 62% based on 12 reviews. Some reviewers responded positively to the game's basic gameplay. Game Chronicles praised it for making players "feel good about obeying traffic laws and driving safe," in contrast to more conventional driving games that reward reckless behavior. GameWatcher similarly wrote that the game succeeded as "a simple casual game" that accomplished its limited goals well. CPUGamer said the game avoided the "cardboard feeling" found in some…

From the “Reception” section of Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 4.0. Critic context only — not part of the audience score.

Reactions

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  • Double Fine @doublefine.comBluesky · Sep 4, 2026

    ICYMI: We announced the first game under our fun-sized games label, Double Fine Action Labs! THANK YOU BUS DRIVER is available to wishlist on Steam! Help us spread the word by adding TYBD to your wishlist ❤️ store.steampowered.com/app/5067360/...

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  • Lee Petty @leepetty.bsky.socialBluesky · Sep 5, 2026

    Double Fine is at PAX! Come by and play Kiln, Keeper’s Psychedelic Mode, or our newest game— Thank You Bus Driver!

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  • TimOfLegend @timoflegend.bsky.socialBluesky · Sep 5, 2026

    You can Wishlist our new game, Thank You Bus Driver, right now but you can’t play it—UNLESS you come visit our booth at Pax! Unlimited honks and slaps for you!

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  • CompromiseDev | Wishlist Compromised Investigator @compromisedev.bsky.socialBluesky · Feb 11, 2026

    Just had to get the Bus Driver into this game too. 😅 He drives every bus of the Night, at the same time 🙃 Sounds complicated? Bus Driver: "Might be for you, I just know that I'm the best goddamn bus driver in all of Windermere and that's all that matters." #indiedev #gamedev #pixelart #ドット絵

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  • Harper Jay @dreamcastaway.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 14, 2026

    Thank You Bus Driver is such a cute game and I'm really glad it is Out There in the world. I love these little bus dweeb guys! This is also presumably *final* time I'll be in the credits of a DF project for producer stuff done during early production.

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  • TOEM @swmgames.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 14, 2026

    BLACK AND WHITE GAMES ARE COOL 😎 We're STOKED to be bundling Toem 2 with Thank You Bus Driver from @doublefine.com! If you picked up Toem 2 recently, you can snag this new fun-sized game from them at an EXTRA discount by completing your bundle on Steam. 🚌 🛍 store.steampowered.com/bundle/90063...

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  • Alpha Beta Gamer @alphabetagamer.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 14, 2026

    This game is like Crazy Taxi on a bus, but you get upgrades and slap passengers for breaking the rules! Thank You Bus Driver is out now on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/5067360/... 10 Min Gameplay Video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CTo... by indie dev @doublefine.com #gaming

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  • Steam user Steam user …5191Steam reviews · Nov 27, 2023 · 1 h played

    The game of my childhood ;)

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  • Rogue @rogue.siteBluesky · Oct 19, 2026

    Thank You Bus Driver is the latest from Double Fine, and our very own @pfhorbear.bsky.social absolutely loved it. His review: www.rogue.site/editorials/t...

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  • Rogue @rogue.siteBluesky · Sep 4, 2026

    Thank You Bus Driver is Double Fine's first game back at it as an indie studio www.rogue.site/news/double-...

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  • Defunct Games @defunctgames.comBluesky · Oct 11, 2026

    I spent a lot of time today playing through Thank You Bus Driver, the new game from Double Fine. Good stuff. Really scratches that Crazy Taxi itch.

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  • (GDHitless) PT @pleasantlytwstd.blacksky.appBluesky · Sep 10, 2026

    Thank You Bus Driver is a game where you let people get on your bus, and when they don't follow your rules you can slap the shit out of them or just throw them off your bus completely. The game is as low IQ as it gets. I need 40 copies yesterday.

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  • Steam user Steam user …7955Steam reviews · Aug 17, 2023 · 1 h played

    As a kid, I downloaded every single 60 minute trial of this game on the web. And then when my family bought a new computer, I downloaded them all again. Well guess what ♥♥♥♥♥? Now I own this game. And if I wanna kidnap all the passengers and take them on a 2 hour trip to the snowy ski lodge while crashing into 50 buildings on the way, I'm gonna ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do it. Campaign mode is garbage btw. If your driving isn't virtually flawless, you won't make it on time.

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  • Steam user Steam user …2681Steam reviews · Jul 15, 2025 · 1 h played

    I was playing this game for hours in my childhood, on my low-end laptop, so nostalgic! keep up the good work SCS Software. can't wait for ETS2 Coaches and ATS Road Trip updates <3

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  • 99 Heal Potions @99healpotions.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 17, 2026

    My latest illustration of Tattles in yet another game! This time he is in "Thank You Bus Driver" the latest game from @doublefine.com. For the first time I wrote a review that you can find my review on steam! steamcommunity.com/id/99healpot... which is also one of the many places you can buy it!

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  • Steam user Steam user …2667Steam reviews · Jun 27, 2025

    I used to play this game in my childhood, had totally forgotten about it when life got to me. But today while surfing Steam I found the "Bus Driver" logo and a core memory unlocked. The music, the graphics, and even the environment that is set in the game is too beautiful. I remember while I was a kid I'd install the time trial demo of this game once every few months because the "1 hour time trial" would reset in a couple of months. Absolute gem of my childhood.

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  • Steam user Steam user …9721Steam reviews · Jan 21, 2026

    What a throwback! This game was the backbone of my childhood and its insane how well its kept up! Very excited to see SCS create more bus/coach related products in ets2, they smashed it here!!

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  • Steam user Steam user …5950Steam reviews · Feb 19, 2025 · 5 h played

    Legendary game. Needs a successor.

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  • Steam user Steam user …0627Steam reviews · Nov 11, 2024 · 1 h played

    I used to play this game when i was younger , i still find it fun to play the soundtrack and gameplay are great 10/10

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  • Liam @ GamingOnLinux @gamingonlinux.comBluesky · Sep 7, 2026

    Thank You Bus Driver is the first game post-XBOX from Double Fine #Proton

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  • Cassie Knight @cjediknight87.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 15, 2026

    My written review for Thank You Bus Driver is out now on Minimap! Thank you to @doublefine.com and @keymailer.bsky.social for the game! :) minimap.net/magazine/min...

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  • Crossplay Conversations @crossplayconvos.bsky.socialBluesky · Sep 7, 2026

    Luke’s Game of Show for PAX West 2026 was Thank You Bus Driver by @doublefine.com!

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  • Lee Petty @leepetty.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 14, 2026

    If you've ever wanted to drive a bus and slap people with impunity then check out our newest game, Thank You Bus Driver, out NOW!

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  • Steam user Steam user …3146Steam reviews · Nov 27, 2025 · 9 h played

    Expectations: GTA but buses This game made my childhood.Love it

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  • Steam user Steam user …8167Steam reviews · Mar 17, 2024 · 166 h played

    After 14 years, I discovered for the first time that this game had a 1st person view

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  • bolinfest.bsky.social @bolinfest.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 14, 2026

    After beta testing Thank You Bus Driver last week, I promised my son we'd get up at 6am so we could play it before school this morning for the release. What a fun little game @doublefine.com! It's only $5, so give it a try and put the pedal to the metal 🤘

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  • fireb0rn @fireb0rn.bsky.socialBluesky · Jan 16, 2025

    The PS store does not list a dev for this game, City Bus Driver Simulator. But deals.gg lists Atomic Fabrik as the developer, presumably because that's what it was previously. Cristian knows listing himself (Atomic Fabrik) as the dev is painting a target at this point, so he presumably scrubbed it.

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  • Steam user Steam user …7132Steam reviews · Nov 11, 2023 · 7 h played

    Absulutely magneficent work, its my childhood game and still looks greate even better than 2020 era games

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  • Steam user Steam user …7551Steam reviews · Oct 30, 2024 · 9 h played

    >be me >wake up >smoke a pack of marlboro reds >drive to my bus driving job >yell at passenger >bet on homeless fight in the back >buy fent with the winnings >OD >get narcan'd by underpaid EMT >crash into the traffic light pole and keep going for 2 miles >crash into the back of cop car cause i wasn't paying attention >ride on the sidewalk >be 20 minutes late for every stop >finish day >boot up Bus Driver

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  • Steam user Steam user …3700Steam reviews · Nov 28, 2023 · 2 h played

    PROS: + you can kidnap a school bus full of children and smash it into oncoming traffic CONS: - good luck obeying traffic laws and arriving on time, it's downright impossible (even after having the throttle floored and running every red light I barely made it in time) EDIT: All tier 6 (and some tier 5) rides can actually be completed on time!! RATING: [68,9%] recommended

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  • Is There a Fishing Minigame? @fishingminigames.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 14, 2026

    Thank You Bus Driver does not have a fishing minigame :(( #thankyoubusdriver #indiegame #gaming #videogames #fishing #fishingminigame

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  • Steam user Steam user …4984Steam reviews · Oct 7, 2025 · 1 h played

    This game is a trip down memory lane for me, so I'm willing to forgive a lot. Right now the game is old enough to drive, but despite that it seems to run quite well on Win11 and even supports an XBox One controller if you play with the settings a bit. I absolutely love the soundtrack. I wish I could hear that again in the Coaches DLC for ETS2.

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  • Steam user Steam user …0042Steam reviews · Sep 19, 2024 · 2 h played

    Childhood game. Brings back soooo many memories :(

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  • Steam user Steam user …2723Steam reviews · Apr 11, 2023

    one of the games that fueled my computer addiction

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  • Save The Game Media @savethegamemedia.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 14, 2026

    Thank You Bus Driver - the latest game from @doublefine.com is out NOW and we're happy to say - it's a WHEEL-Y GOOD TIME! Our Full Review: youtu.be/0Ns0ZRGmfnk

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  • Steam user Steam user …3501Steam reviews · Sep 22, 2024

    In my 17 minutes of Bus Driver, I drove a bus. Can't argue with these facts.

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  • Steam user Steam user …8217Steam reviews · Jun 16, 2023

    old game, old graphics, but the game punishes you for not using the turn signal. very cool.

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  • Revy but spoopy @catgirlfingies.questBluesky · Oct 19, 2026

    Wow twitter is like wanting the downfall of Double Fine just because the game Thank You Bus Driver isn't doing lile thousands of numbers of players on steam. Some gamers don't deserve video games fr

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  • Steam user Steam user …2731Steam reviews · Apr 25, 2025 · 7 h played

    I find it a bit hard to say what I think about this game because it is from 2007 and it shows it, but I still had fun with it. It is not bad at all, just old. Works fine on Linux with Proton (Proton 4.11-12).

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  • Steam user Steam user …0108Steam reviews · Feb 18, 2023 · 562 h played

    Ive loved this game since I was younger that's why it has so many hours lol its a simple arcade style sim game. fun, relaxing, just play it!

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  • Steam user Steam user …4383Steam reviews · Sep 3, 2024 · 12 h played

    A good arcade game about driving buses! I managed to complete all levels in 12 hours. I played on the steering wheel, and from the first person (it looks like a view from the hood). I'll say this, the only problem that could not be solved, it is a bit retarded reaction of the steering wheel when turning, you turned, but the wheels in the game, it does with a slight delay that when turning, can lead to a collision. But, except for this problem, the game has not found more errors or…

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  • Steam user Steam user …9107Steam reviews · Jul 31, 2023 · 1 h played

    This game feels like a blast from the past. Really cozy game and fun to play with or without a steering wheel. You can also skip the missions entirely and just explore the world.

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  • Steam user Steam user …9074Steam reviews · Apr 30, 2026 · 14 h played

    As other in the comments...this game is my childhood :) That moment when the game starts and that chill music starts to play...ooooh. For that year it has great graphics, sounds, effects, traffic logic is on really high level. The game is training you in every level, especially counting time of greenlights on the traffic lights is really hard to count in order to not pass on red. This is one of the negative of the game, traffic lights are really hard to find out what time they are changing…

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  • Steam user Steam user …5297Steam reviews · Feb 21, 2026

    This game was my childhood. I love this game ✌️😭

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  • Steam user Steam user …2007Steam reviews · Aug 8, 2026 · 8 h played

    One of the first games I played, a classic, it might be a bit outdated for today for new players but this was too real back then when it released, we had it on school PCs downloaded for all to play. It has a bit of challenge, the only issue with it was no first person camera at the front, which is weird considering 18 Wheels of Steel (the truck games released around same time) had one. Regardless it's a great game and the routes are fun.

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  • Steam user Steam user …1962Steam reviews · Mar 23, 2024 · 2 h played

    ∧,,,∧ (• ⩊ •) | ̄U U ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄| ദ്ദി(• ˕ •マ.ᐟ | 𝑀𝓎 𝒸𝒽𝒾𝓁𝒹𝒽𝑜𝑜𝒹 𝑔𝒶𝓂𝑒 |  ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄My favourite bus driving game, It's relaxing and fun to play.

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  • Steam user Steam user …4734Steam reviews · Jul 16, 2023 · 8 h played

    You can feel its age. It's simple and the challenge mostly comes from factors outside of your control so I guess you can say it's challenging... for the wrong reasons. If you don't care about setting a high score there is nothing special, content diversity is not something you will find here. All that being said, as long as you get it on a sale I can still recommend it when you need a couple minutes to shut down. Currently demanded full price (as of time of review 7,99€) is a bit too much for…

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  • DawnOfTimeBC @dawnoftimebc.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 18, 2026

    ▶️ Saturday Sampler VOD is up now! The to-dos have been done! Here's what was actually on the list: • Thank You Bus Driver • Allogloom • over the hill • Pure Pool Pro • Flipping is Hard youtu.be/RefRYg5LlzQ #SaturdaySampler #IndieGames #TwitchVOD

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  • trillbina.bsky.social @trillbina.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 11, 2026

    Thank You Bus Driver is such a fun game! Thank you to @doublefine.com and @keymailer.bsky.social. Highly recommend wishlisting it for release on 14Oct! game.page/thankyoubusd... VOD is up twitch.tv/trillbina I'll be playing again after release! ❤️🚌 #TYBD #keymailer #ad

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  • Steam user Steam user …6757Steam reviews · Nov 25, 2025 · 8 h played

    It's almost 2 decades old, but still gives you a pretty good simulator experience. Ofc it's not even close to their later games (ETS2, ATS), but for it's time, the content it has is good, and you can still play it without major modifications today. It becomes repetitive after a while, but isn't that the same in real life?

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  • Steam user Steam user …8424Steam reviews · Jun 16, 2025 · 13 h played

    ⭐ Rating: 9/10 🎮 Genre: Driving / Simulation 🕹️ Hours Played: 12+ Bus Driver is one of those hidden gems that define what simulation games should be: immersive, satisfying, and surprisingly addictive. It may not have the modern graphics of newer sims, but what it delivers in atmosphere, structure, and realism makes it an absolute classic for fans of the genre.

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  • Steam user Steam user …1350Steam reviews · Jan 20, 2025 · 31 h played

    There's a bus...and you drive it. Nothing more, nothing less. Also nostalgic/10. This was the first driving sim I had ever played and for what it was at the time it was pretty immaculate. Still amazes me 12 years later

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  • Steam user Steam user …1953Steam reviews · Jan 13, 2025 · 3 h played

    old is gold(memories)

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  • Steam user Steam user …6539Steam reviews · Nov 2, 2024

    Very good game 10/10, miss my childhood

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  • Steam user Steam user …3561Steam reviews · Oct 26, 2024 · 8 h played

    This bus driving simulator is just as simple as it looks. Beware of the traffic, watch out for the sudden red lights, but hurry to make it to the stations in time as there's a score bonus for that. There's not much that has to be said about this oldie, but I sure enjoyed its gameplay a lot. It's full of driving the bus and obeying the traffic rules; The usual. Some of the buses had faster acceleration, some had better handling, were shorter or longer, etcetera.. But despite being so simple, I…

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  • Steam user Steam user …7176Steam reviews · Jun 24, 2023 · 13 h played

    The nostalgia hits hard, and I am not entirely sure how, but by some miracle the game still holds up to its merits sixteen years later. Is it perfect? No. By no means is it even close. The timed bonuses are often nonsensical, the level progression is at times wonky, traffic does bizarre things (which in a sense I guess actually mirrors the real world so points for accuracy?), and the turning radius of the busses you operate would make a battleship blush. That being said, I still recommend…

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  • Steam user Steam user …1738Steam reviews · Jan 30, 2023 · 10 h played

    The first best bus driving game I ever played was when I was a child. PLEASE~ SCS Software, i need more bus game.

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  • Ron’s Computer Videos 🧍‍♂️🖥️📼 @ronscompvids.bsky.socialBluesky · Oct 9, 2026

    I'm not saying that I played a lot of the beta for @doublefine.com's new game Thank You Bus Driver (launching on Oct 14, 2026)... but I may have played a lot of beta for doublefine.com's new game Thank You Bus Driver (launching on Oct 14, 2026). www.doublefine.com/games/thank-...

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  • Steam user Steam user …3168Steam reviews · Aug 6, 2024 · 10 h played

    This game is probably okay in 2010 but nowadays, it's nowhere near acceptable. There are 36 bus trip missions. The other main problem is the use of the same map over and over again. After 8 missions in, I felt bored cause it's repetitive driving with almost no obstacles to keep me alert. SCS should bring back this game with a new game engine. Add more maps and more pedestrians to make it look more realistic than before. Rating: 42%

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  • Steam user Steam user …0727Steam reviews · Jan 27, 2024 · 4 h played

    My favorite bus driving game

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